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The CivicAccess list from time to time has some really good discussions. As of late there have been a couple of great ones. They are honest and often bring up issues that require some external expertise.
The question of race questions in the former long-form Canadian census was the latest. It was inspired by comments associated with the NYTimes map – Mapping America: Every City, Every Block posted to the list. The list threads on this topic can be read here.
Debra Thompson was invited to read the threads and to respond. Debra wrote The Politics of the Census: Lessons from Abroad in the Journal of Canadian Public Policy as a response to the recent cuts to the Canadian census and won the McMenemy Prize for her paper in the Canadian Journal of Political Science: Is Race Political?
Here is Debra’s Response:
That type of argument (race is dangerous, we shouldn’t be asking a question on it anyway) is actually pretty common – and came up back in 1996 when the question was first put on the census. Unsurprisingly, it’s more often the white majority that claims race is dangerous, rather than racial minorities who largely understand that race is socially constructed, but carries consequences nonetheless. The basic fact of the matter is that we have a range of policies that depend on accurate census data. Yes, employment equity is one of those policies. Yes, it has its problems – especially in that it can’t account for variation in discrimination within the population we call “visible minority”. Some visible minorities are clearly discriminated against in a variety of socio-economic indicators – housing, employment, services, etc. Most often, these are Aboriginal peoples, Black Canadians and some Asian population groups. Other VM groups don’t necessarily need the policy in order to ensure their labour force representation is equitable. But can you imagine a Black-only or Aboriginal-only employment equity policy? It just wouldn’t fly.
The debates over whether or not a question *should* be in the census is more often than not a debate about the efficiency and equity of affirmative action-type policies. In my opinion, these debates are very important, but should take place elsewhere. I personally think employment equity is a good idea. It means the state has a positive obligation to promote racial equality. We know that the marketplace won’t do this on its own. It also sends important signals about citizenship and social justice as important priorities for the Canadian state. I would also tell critics that our employment equity policy is actually very very weak. VERY weak. It has little by way of actual monitoring, the courts have rarely backed it up, and it doesn’t compel the private sector at all. If our policy was stronger, we would have seen more VMs in the public service by now. Yet, if you look at the data, women have almost achieved representative parity, and VMs are still very much underrepresented – not nearly as badly as persons with disabilities, but still.
No matter the pros and cons of this legislation, it’s the law of the land. And we can’t make this law work properly without accurate data. In the 1980s before there was a “race question”, StatsCan used the ethnic origin question and other proxies to determine which respondents were VMs. But it was highly problematic – think about my father’s family, for example. We came to Canada in the 1860s, via the Underground Railroad. We’ve been here for a very long time. (This is why I find it so frustrating when white Canadians ask me, “no, where are you REALLY from?” I’m from HERE.) In response to the ethnic origin question, what would Dad write? “Black” is a racial group, not an ethnic group. But to put “Canadian,” “American,” or “British,” as Dad might have done, wouldn’t capture the fact that he’s black. StatsCan also had the same types of problems with other groups – Jamaicans and Indians (from India) who put their ethnic origins as “British,” Haitians who put theirs as “French”. If you want to measure race, you need a question on race.
Canada is also not alone in this regard. Over 60% of countries in the world have a question on nationality/ethnicity/race, though they use diverse conceptualizations of what these terms mean. It’s also been proven time and time again by places like the United States and Great Britain that having a question on race in the census is actually helpful if the society’s ultimate goal is racial equality. Canada has had this question on its census since 1996. And we’re not more divided than before, race riots haven’t broken out (though there are some places in Canada where racial minorities are living so far below the poverty line that I wouldn’t be surprised if they did), and our kitten-hugging version of multiculturalism – high on rhetoric, low on actual results in terms of lessing racial disadvantage – is still intact. So, you see, having a question on race isn’t about making Canadian society more divided. It’s about making it more equal. I think that’s a pretty important goal.
Peggy and John are keeping up the good work on the Save the Census Campaign and here is their latest update:
The census in the news:
- The Globe and Mail: Make a top 10 public policy list, checked it twice, ticked the boxes on naughty and nice in 2010.
- The Toronto Star: Travers: Being Canadian means taking ownership of Canada. James Travers writes about why the elimination of the long-form census was short-sighted and only hurts Canadians in the long run.
- The Toronto Star: The numbers game: Will 2011 census controversy count once Canada’s at the polls? A great overview on the importance of a long-form census; what to expect with a potential election on the horizon; and whether Canadians can expect the census to be returned.
- Telegraphjournal.com: Census change will hurt survey. This piece outlines concerns from Saint John Community Foundation and how disregarding the long-form census jeopardizes the quality of data that is collected for important community pieces, like the Foundation’s yearly Vital Signs report.
- Telegraphjournal.com: Sound decisions require good data. Another good article on why the census is crucial data for the Vital Signs report card.
- Telegraphjournal.com: Survey helps to guide funding. This article articulates the necessity of reports like Vital Signs and the recommendation that come out of these reports that are crucial to policy making, and program/service funding.
Thanks for reading. Best wishes for a safe and census-filled new year!
John Campey (Social Planning Toronto) and Peggy Taillon (Canadian Council on Social Development)
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This was a message posted on Civicaccess.ca list (also see archive for other great resources) in response to a blog post written by David Eaves.
The Civicaccess.ca list, from whence this blog is inspired, was founded on the discussion of making StatCan data free along with freeing Canada Post Data back in 2005 among many other access to public data Issues. Some on the list have been working toward that goal ever since. The number quoted by David in his article is very low and only reflect a portion of the revenue cost recovered by StatCan. Revenue generated by the sale of the Census alone since 1996 has been over $10 000 000. My ATIP requests
Statistics Canada, 2010, ATIP Request A-2010-00067, Census Revenue Notes, June 29. Indicates that
StatCan recovered $13,642,959 from the 2001 Census
The cycle for 2006 is not yet complete and therefore I do not have those figures. The figure above includes license fees, the sale of standard products, Custom Products, CD Rom fees, and Geography products. For instance the Community Data Consortium alone purchases about $700 000 worth of Census data for each cycle.
David does rightly make the point that revenue figures do not reflect the overhead cost of managing those resources and collecting them.
The cost of the census for 2001 was $432,033,300 or $14.40 per person according to ATIP request A-2010-00068. The cost recovered reflects 3.16% of the actual cost of the Census. Again, we do not know the overhead cost of recovering those moneys.
Most of StatCan’s special surveys are cost recovery projects, often cost shared between federal departments. Which means we also pay for those. Many surveys on topics related to Canada’s most vulnerable were discontinued, the LF Census was canceled and we expect to see more cuts coming down the pipes. It is true, that StatCan uses the revenue generated to fund other surveys.
The real problem however is not with StatCan but with the Treasury Board and Cabinet. There was a submission to Cabinet under the current government regime, offering cost savings by StatCan in order to cover the cost of making the Census Free. The Tory government accepted the proposed cost savings and refused to allow the giving of census data back to Canadians. If the Treasury were to actually adequately fund Statistics Canada then it would be able to give the data back to us. I am still trying to dig up the paper trail on the submission, but alas, memoranda to cabinet are confidential in Canada.
Bref, political pressure needs to be on the current government and also the Treasury. StatCan has little power over its budget beyond the usual mechanics, especially these days. We also need to keep in mind, that we have already lost disability surveys, and we have lost the ability to track the country’s immigrant, ethno cultural visible minorities, the poor, linguistic groups, people with mobility issues because the Census was just Cancelled (read more about lost surveys). More cuts to StatCan will not be about helping those groups and us advocating the abolition of cost recovery and not advocating to cover the revenue lost to StatCan by the Treasury will make us complicit in further marginalizing those groups. We need to lobby for more resources to StatCan to cover the loss of cost recovered funds, and of course to return the Long Form Census and we also need to ensure that it is autonomous from political interference as recommended by National Statistical Council of Canada. (more details available here).
I have not published my ATIP requests yet as I am still trying to validate a few pieces and do the analysis. It is also part of my PHD dissertation and at some point I need to publish officially.
Watching this is a great New Years morning activity, and for Sep Kamvar I fell that data and statistics are the new black! This is worth the 1 hour of your time! dam, most online TV shows are 42 minutes and you learn way less…I should know 🙁
Merci Karl!
The retrospective stories of 2010 or coming out the door and the Census story as a top issue for 2010 and the coming 2011.
new articles today:
29/12/2010
- Globe and Mail: Economics: The best and worst of 2010 & Economists unite. You have nothing to lose but data
- Toronto Star: The numbers game: Will 2011 census controversy count once Canada’s at the polls?
- Globe and Mail: Made a Top 10 public policy list, checked it twice, ticked the boxes on naughty and nice
- National Post: 2010 in Review: This year’s winners and losers
- iPolitics: The numbers game: will 2011 census controversy count once Canada’s at the polls?
28/12/2010
- CTV News: Don Martin: Brace yourself Canada, year of bland is over
- Vancouver Sun: Year in Reviewof Canadian News
- Globe and Mail: Political language to avoid in 2011
I am sure there will be more! These are the ones that poped on my desk this morning without me even having to look for them!
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• Tourist traffic / Tourisme
• Common carriers / Transports publiques
• Navigation, shipping and navigable waters / La navigation, le transport maritime et les voies navigables.
See the Plan for a Digital Canada Report / Plan pour in Canada numérique
From the wonderful folks at the Save the Census Campaign
(I particularly giggled at the Stevie Cutie one, what would Ertha Kitt say!)
Reinstate the Long Form Census
to the tune of “Deck the Halls”
Reinstate the Long Form Census,
Fa la la la la la la la
Its demise is really senseless,
Fa la la la la la la la
Give us back this vital data
Fa la la la la la la la
Bring it back right now, not later.
Fa la la la la la la la.
Hear the raging statisticians
Fa la la la la la la la
Stating all our hopes and wishes
Fa la la la la la la la
Many groups across our nation
Fa la la la la la la la
Join to stop this devastation
Fa la la la la la la la
Those from lower social classes
Fa la la la la la la la
Fear the new one will bypass us
Fa la la la la la la la
Sing we now in protestation
Fa la la la la la la la
Speaking out to save our nation
Fa la la la la la la la!
Hark the Statisticians Sing
to the tune of ‘Hark the Herald Angels Sing’
Hark the Statisticians sing
Give us back that census thing
Don’t destroy the data source
That we use to chart our course.
Joyful if it is returned
From its data much we’ve learned
It has been around since when
Christ was born in Bethlehem.
Hark the Statisticians sing
Don’t listen to the far right wing!
Many want it now restored
Province, village, town and Board
Rural, urban, poor and rich,
Think to lose it is a shame
Cancelled almost secretly
For no reason clear to see
Many mourn this tragic loss
Blaming Harper – he’s the boss!
Hark, the statisticians sing
Please reinstate the Census thing!
Census Forms
to the tune of ‘Jingle Bells’
Filling out the form
On a long form census day
Takes ‘bout half an hour
Glad to have my say
Don’t find it intrudes
Isn’t worth the fuss
The information it provides
Benefits all of us
Census forms, census forms
Glad to have my say!
It’s a thing we really need
Bring back our census day!
Census forms, census forms
Glad to have our say
It’s a part of Canada
Please don’t take it away!
Need the whole long form
More than a survey
Counts us every one
No one goes astray
Things that we all need
The census helps us get
If we can just volunteer
Some needs will go unmet.
Census forms, census forms
Glad to have my say
It’s a part of Canada
Please don’t take it away!
Stevie Baby
to the tune of “Santa Baby”
Stevie Baby, just slip a census under the tree, for me.
Been an awful good count,
Stevie Baby, so make it mandatory again.
Stevie Baby, a data source that we know is true — like you!
We’ll wait till it returns,
Stevie baby, so make it mandatory again.
Though its now your nemesis
Think of all the fellas that it’s gonna miss
Next year could be twice as good,
If you’d restore the Census list!
Stevie baby
We want a count on which we can count — a fount.
Information we need, Stevie baby,
So make it mandatory again.
Stevie honey
One little thing we really need, indeed.
Data that we can mine, Stevie Baby,
So make it mandatory again.
Stevie cutie
Don’t think this is one little thing – we sing!
Sign your x on the line, Stevie cutie,
And make it mandatory again.
Please maintain this data source
With some gentle suasion, just to reinforce.
You don’t need to keep jail time
Make it just a minor crime!
Stevie baby
Won’t complete your “Household Survey” – no way!
It’s a failed substitute,
Stevie baby, so make it mandatory again.
Make it mandatory again
Tory, tonight!
We Need a Long Form Census
to the tune “We Need a Little Christmas” from ‘Mame’
Please stop this folly
Bring back the form before you hurt our nation more
Fill out the questions
We may be losing things we never missed before now
Cause we need the long form Census
Right this very minute
Joyous statisticians, data without limits
Yes we need the long form census
Right this very minute
Its cancellation caused a flurry
That Stephen Harper makes us worry
So climb off your high horse
Reverse the dumbest thing we’ve seen you do in years
Don’t be a fruitcake
It’s time you faced the facts, to public pressure please bow!
For we’ve grown a little smarter
Grown a little older
Grown a lot more vocal
Grown a whole lot bolder
And we need a lot more data
‘Bout every householder.
We need the long form census now!
Good King Censusless
to the tune of “Good King Wenceslas”
Good King Censusless looked out
On the cottage season.
With the sunshine all about
Warm and crisp and even.
Everyone was drinking beer
Feeling great elation.
How could he disrupt the cheer
breaking cross the nation?
“Mr Clement, good MP,
If you knowst it, telling,
Yonder voter, who is he
Tory ranks not swelling?”
“Sire, a man I once knew long
Loathed the census taking
If you could remove this wrong
You’d be nation-making.”
“Make it so”, he said at once
With no consultation,
“Though I may be thought a dunce
Causing consternation.”
Statistician would not toast
His part in this madness.
He would rather quit his post
Causing him much sadness.
Harper bellowed “What a fool!
Get that man to focus!
He should know that math’s not cool,
Stats are hocus pocus.”
Statistician stood his ground
In the public’s favour.
He said he was honour-bound;
People thought him braver.
“Bring me hatchets, bring me fire,
We shall burn his cabin!
He’s earned my unholy ire!
He won’t know what happened!”
Steve and Tony, off they trod,
Off they trod together
Feeling stormy, yet instead
Of the sunny weather.
Statistician’s cabin burned
To the ground next morning.
Steve and Tony have not learned,
Though this be a warning:
Cabin dwellers all be sure
Be you all accounted,
Those who cannot count the poor
Can’t themselves be counted.
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